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  1. #16
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    Re: We need a new name

    Quote Originally Posted by Meridian View Post
    In psychology, this is called "transference".

    Every genuine left-winger you will ever meet is proud to call themselves Left. OK, not in politics, because that gets punished by the Right-wing press. But on an anonymous forum like this Leftists are perfectly happy with the label. The problem is that Right-wingers simply don't believe that they are Right. And more importantly, they believe that anyone to the left of them must be Left. This is like the port outer engine of a 747 declaring that the port inner engine if left wing, because it's not as Right as it is.

    As someone suggested, it might be useful to have a debate elsewhere as to what an actual Socialist is, but wanting to extend free medical care to a greater proportion of society (for example) does not make you Left of Centre. Left of Hayek, maybe, but not of the Centre. It''s called the "Fallacy of the Excluded Middle", aka "If you're not for us, you're against us", and many other names.
    Republicans are on the right.
    Democrats are on the left.
    Wherever you came up with the idea that giving free (paid by others, nothing is free) healthcare to more people is not "of the left" is a real mystery.
    Its in the platform of the Democrats (left).
    Its not in the platform of the Republicans (right).
    But please continue. You're doing a great job of confirming my thought that folks on the left try to act as if they're somewhere else.
    Its not "transference", its much simpler than that... its denial.
    Unless you want to somehow or another claim that in American politics, Democrats (liberals, progressives) don't represent the left and Republicans (conservatives) don't represent the right.
    Your dive to the excluded middle is a laughable exercise that many liberals play. Both sides now and all that. When you cast a vote for a President, Senator, Representative, heck, even Mayor, there's rarely an (M) on the ballot. Just (R) or (D) and an occasional (I) like Bernie, the ultimate man in the middle.

    Back to "Also I've never seen anyone post here with views that were left of centre, never mind "radical left"... you can't be serious.

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    Re: We need a new name

    Quote Originally Posted by Meridian View Post
    In psychology, this is called "transference".

    Every genuine left-winger you will ever meet is proud to call themselves Left. OK, not in politics, because that gets punished by the Right-wing press. But on an anonymous forum like this Leftists are perfectly happy with the label. The problem is that Right-wingers simply don't believe that they are Right. And more importantly, they believe that anyone to the left of them must be Left. This is like the port outer engine of a 747 declaring that the port inner engine if left wing, because it's not as Right as it is.

    As someone suggested, it might be useful to have a debate elsewhere as to what an actual Socialist is, but wanting to extend free medical care to a greater proportion of society (for example) does not make you Left of Centre. Left of Hayek, maybe, but not of the Centre. It''s called the "Fallacy of the Excluded Middle", aka "If you're not for us, you're against us", and many other names.
    The section about leftists being "punished by right wing press" screams victim-hood. The sub-forum posts just scuttled to "historic documents" prove the near exact polar opposite of your description of the left and right to be true.


    How many on the TLR right were so opposed to being identified as a member of the right title they set up a sockpuppet?


    How many on the TLR right continually claimed to be a centrist?


    I could go on.. but it's clear you either did not bother to read any of what was going on for the last what.. 15 years? Or came in with preconceived notions. Either is not a good indication of how things will be moving forward.

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    Re: We need a new name

    When you enter this forum think of the word oppression, when you post in this forum think of the censorship, when you leave this forum think about how much time you wasted trying to prove good isn’t bad, bad isn’t good... I could be radical left fool but I don’t like beating my brains out on a concrete garage floor. Brain damage is a requirement for enlistment in the Democratic Party.
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    Re: We need a new name

    I had high hopes for this new version of a debate forum and it’s pretty much a disappointing start.

    I will not respond to the passive aggressive attacks of half truths and lies towards me.

    That is my opinion. It’s not a complaint. It’s not victimhood, for I am still here by choice and I’m not a masochist.

    It’s just that their feeble points have been addressed repeatedly in the past in tlr.

    Please let me know when a topic comes up that can be discussed outside of the ‘embarrassing’ framework tlr became.
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    Re: We need a new name

    Give it a rest.


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    Re: We need a new name

    ^^ Here’s a question for you. Why does every racial tirade Start with “People of Color”? It’s puzzling... It seems to me every human being has a skin color. And why is the white man always the evil whipping boy? People with white skin have been chastised because of their skin color for way way to many years. It seems to me there is more racism in the so-called “people of color” category... Explain! waiting!

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    Re: We need a new name

    Quote Originally Posted by Meridian View Post
    I quite like the The Crucible.


    Also I've never seen anyone post here with views that were left of centre, never mind "radical left". But then I seem to remember someone in TLR calling the UK Conservatives Left-Wing and doing so with a straight face.
    You could have been up front about where you are from and where you reside. Have you been to the US? If so, when?

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    Re: We need a new name

    ^^ Me...

    Not completely true I have seen an invisible man riding a pink elephant... Long night sittin’ on a bar stool...
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    Re: We need a new name

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    You could have been up front about where you are from and where you reside. Have you been to the US? If so, when?
    Aha... Very perceptive... I didn’t see that angle... Curiosity...
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    Re: We need a new name

    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    ^^ Here’s a question for you. Why does every racial tirade Start with “People of Color”? It’s puzzling... It seems to me every human being has a skin color. And why is the white man always the evil whipping boy? People with white skin have been chastised because of their skin color for way way to many years. It seems to me there is more racism in the so-called “people of color” category... Explain! waiting!

    I demand reparations!
    A new and interesting twist is developing... people of color hijacking the minority status of black Americans but haven't "gone through the struggle" of the civil rights movement yet want to be part of the reaping of rewards.

    The "trigger" for this? "The squad".

    Pass the pocorn.

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    Re: We need a new name

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    A new and interesting twist is developing... people of color hijacking the minority status of black Americans but haven't "gone through the struggle" of the civil rights movement yet want to be part of the reaping of rewards.

    The "trigger" for this? "The squad".

    Pass the pocorn.
    Your absolutely right... Opportunist with no real ties and a hate America and Americans fetish... We’ve been infiltrated by Fraudulent scumbags... And a couple of hate America socialists...

    If the answer to your question up there isn’t answered honestly I might need to learn how to use the ignore button...
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    Re: We need a new name

    A fond farewell to the TLR and a welcome to the horse with no name...



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    Re: We need a new name

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    It’s not victimhood, for I am still here by choice and I’m not a masochist.
    You're a white male democrat. You are in fact the very definition of masochist!

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    Re: We need a new name

    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    ^^ Here’s a question for you. Why does every racial tirade Start with “People of Color”? It’s puzzling... It seems to me every human being has a skin color. And why is the white man always the evil whipping boy? People with white skin have been chastised because of their skin color for way way to many years. It seems to me there is more racism in the so-called “people of color” category... Explain! waiting!

    I demand reparations!
    I grew up in north county Saint Louis. If you think "people of color" aren't racist living there for just a few months will REALLY open your eyes. Go to a movie, get popcorn thrown at your head while the "people of color" behind you make "white boy" jokes. Of course our lib cucks here would defend that behavior as they are masochists and perpetual apologists.

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    Re: We need a new name

    Quote Originally Posted by kbohip View Post
    I grew up in north county Saint Louis. If you think "people of color" aren't racist living there for just a few months will REALLY open your eyes. Go to a movie, get popcorn thrown at your head while the "people of color" behind you make "white boy" jokes. Of course our lib cucks here would defend that behavior as they are masochists and perpetual apologists.
    I know I’m not the new kid on the block... I’ve seen the same kind of thing...
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