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  1. #316
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    Re: What Is 2019-2020 Reality Fake OR Fact

    At this point, a fair question, is calling this a forum fake or fact?

    I would say its fake.

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    Re: What Is 2019-2020 Reality Fake OR Fact

    It is a forum. For adults. It's that latter part that seems to cause the problems.

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    Re: What Is 2019-2020 Reality Fake OR Fact

    Arguing with a mod


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    Simple disagreement is now "arguing with a mod"... in a "debate forum".
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    Re: What Is 2019-2020 Reality Fake OR Fact

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    Re: What Is 2019-2020 Reality Fake OR Fact

    Insulting a mod. Smooth.
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    Re: What Is 2019-2020 Reality Fake OR Fact

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    Re: What Is 2019-2020 Reality Fake OR Fact

    No, I'm deleting your post because it contained insults.


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    Fact or Fake: Trump administration politicizes science

    NOAA’s support of Trump over its own scientists provokes uproar in weather community
    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s decision to back President Trump instead of its own scientists on the question of whether Alabama was at significant risk from Hurricane Dorian has led to widespread outrage in the broader weather community.

    Weather forecasters inside and outside the government and former leaders of NOAA and the National Weather Service have spoken out against the NOAA action.

    Late Friday afternoon, NOAA released a statement siding with Trump’s Sept. 1 assertion that Alabama “would most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated” by Hurricane Dorian, even after its own National Weather Service office in Birmingham had accurately tweeted: "Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian.”

    The unsigned NOAA release, attributed to an agency “spokesperson,” specifically rebuked the Birmingham office, stating it “spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available.

    The American Meteorological Society, the professional association of atmospheric scientists and weather forecasters, issued a statement of support for Weather Service employees. " AMS believes the criticism of the Birmingham forecast office is unwarranted; rather they should have been commended for their quick action based on science in clearly communicating the lack of threat to the citizens of Alabama," the statement said.

    Many critics say NOAA’s decision to back Trump is putting politics before facts and undermining forecasters’ ability to carry out their mission to protect life and property, while eroding public trust. They also worry about how the statement will affect Weather Service forecasters’ morale.

    Three former NOAA heads have expressed this concern. Kathryn Sullivan, a former NASA astronaut who ran the agency under President Barack Obama, said that throughout NOAA’s history, the agency — including its political appointees — has committed "to not let any political factors sway the scientific credibility and clarity of Weather Service forecasts and warnings.”

    She stated: “The anonymous and disingenuous statement NOAA tweeted out is a major breach of scientific integrity that damages the NWS and stains the agency’s leadership.”

    Jane Lubchenco, who preceded Sullivan as NOAA administrator under Obama, told Capital Weather Gang via email: “This looks like classic politically motivated obfuscation to justify inaccurate statements made by the boss. It is truly sad to see political appointees undermining the superb, life-saving work of NOAA’s talented and dedicated career servants.”
    On the day it was revealed a memo had been circulated warning scientists not to correct...
    NOAA Leadership Trades Scientific Integrity for Political Appeasement
    GRETCHEN GOLDMAN, RESEARCH DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR SCIENCE AND DEMOCRACY | SEPTEMBER 7, 2019, 8:37 AM EDT


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    The mission of the National Weather Service is to provide “weather, water, and climate data, forecasts and warnings for the protection of life and property and enhancement of the national economy.” And its hard-working employees work around the clock in offices around the country to ensure the weather is forecasted, and lives are saved. Yet, today is a dark day: These dedicated public servants were thrown under the bus by their own leaders simply for implementing this very mission.

    Yesterday leadership at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) issued a memo disavowing the social media communication of the National Weather Service Birmingham office regarding the impacts of Hurricane Dorian. This might just seem like another round of the president’s ongoing Twitter antics but this move is significantly more consequential and more damaging to the health of the nation.

    Dissing the National Weather Service’s life-saving efforts
    The National Weather Service is responsible for saving countless lives. Its weather watches and warnings, along with ongoing communication with the public, keeps people out of harm’s way. People are able to avoid or prepare for tornadoes, hurricanes, heatwaves, and flood waters thanks to the dedicated experts in the National Weather Service who track severe weather into the night, sometimes even sleeping at the office to ensure they don’t miss a forecast.

    This crucial work is often only visible in more extreme cases, like the viral weather balloon launching from the Key West NWS office during Hurricane Irma in 2018. But National Weather Service employees are keeping people safe across the country every hour of every day. They are in constant communication with the public through social media, TV, radio, and even answering phone calls directly from members of the public. The Birmingham Alabama office was simply fulfilling this crucial mission last week when it tweeted out that (contrary to the President’s assertion) Alabama would not be in the path of Hurricane Dorian. Yet the administration—and now NOAA leadership itself—is acting as if this was a criminal act.

    Adding insult to injury, this is the same Birmingham, Alabama office that earned national awards from the Department of Commerce for working tirelessly to protect lives during the historic 2011 tornado outbreak that included 358 tornadoes over a three-day period. Now those same leaders have turned their back on the hardworking employees at the Birmingham office and across NOAA.

    Eroding public trust with dangerous consequences
    This move is an escalation of the president’s attacks on government science. It is no secret that President Trump hasn’t respected the science and scientists at federal agencies. In fact, our work has tracked more than a hundred examples of misuses of science under President Trump and our survey of scientists at 16 federal agencies found that many were being censored, ignored, and left out of crucial conversations. But this move takes the problem to new heights. The work of the National Weather Service has been historically apolitical. Weather forecasting, after all, is crucial to the whole country, all people, and all commercial activities. But here we see NOAA leadership trade scientific integrity for political appeasement.

    This move represents a huge step backwards. It takes a lot for the National Weather Service to build up trust from the public and this work is crucial for saving lives and property. When people don’t believe the messenger, they won’t leave even when a threat is eminent. The National Weather Service has worked hard to build its reputation locally and nationally. The administration and NOAA leadership tore that down yesterday in one shameful memo.

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    I'm amazed how trump doubles down on covering a mistake and how his corporate administration sends out marching orders.

    This is not government as we know it, nor is this Orwellian edict something I feel any US citizen should let go as precedent.

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    Adding a fact-based timeline of the nonsense that caused an official administration memo to gag scientists over SharpieGate...

    A brief history of how Trump came up with the false claim that Hurricane Dorian could hit Alabama
    What started out as a clear misunderstanding on President Donald Trump's part has morphed into him attacking the media for reporting on his false claim. In the process of using his Twitter account to retweet official Hurricane Dorian forecasts from the National Hurricane Center, Trump incorrectly stated on Sunday that the storm could hit Alabama.

    Despite being corrected within 20 minutes by the National Weather Service, Trump went on to lash out repeatedly against journalists who reported on his false claim, defending himself via outdated maps, video manipulation, and even with a six-day-old map that he had been altered with a Sharpie marker.

    Here's how Trump's confusion over Alabama and Hurricane Dorian's trajectory originated, and a timeline of what has happened since, as he continues to double down on his misstatement and attack the news media.

    Friday, August 30:

    An early projection of Hurricane Dorian's potential path. NOAA
    On August 30, the NHC tweeted out a forecast of Hurricane Dorian's trajectory toward the US, based on information and data available at that time. The possible path showed the storm making landfall over Florida, with the potential affected area reaching into Georgia and North Carolina.

    Even then, the map did not show Hurricane Dorian affecting Alabama. Per photos uploaded to the White House Flickr account, this map was used in an early briefing in the Oval Office.

    Later, Trump would use other maps that were not issued by the NHC to defend his claim that the hurricane could have hit Alabama.

    Forecasts display estimated paths of weather patterns, so there is always a degree of uncertainty leading up to a storm's approach - but there was never a statistically significant chance that Dorian would actually "hit" Alabama, as the president would go on to tweet.

    Saturday, August 31:
    Early Saturday, by 8 AM EDT, the NHC's official predicted trajectory for Hurricane Dorian shifted dramatically, and it no longer showed the storm making landfall in Florida. Rather, the entire forecast shifted north, steering clear of Alabama even more than earlier forecasts.

    Sunday, Sept. 1:
    On Sunday, Trump first tweeted his claim that "In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated."

    Within 20 minutes, the National Weather Service's Birmingham Twitter account refuted the claim, writing "Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian."

    After reported pressure from the Trump administration to get officials to back up the president, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration later defended the president, noting that the NWS Birmingham tweet "spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time."

    Off Twitter, the president repeated his false claim that Alabama could be hit, both to reporters on the South Lawn of the White House and at a meeting with officials from the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

    Monday, Sept. 2:
    On Monday, Trump retweeted a forecast of tropical-storm-force winds from the NHC that showed the southeastern corner of Alabama in range for a 5 to 10 percent chance of receiving sustained (39+ mph) winds over the following 5-day period.

    In response to ABC White House correspondent Jon Karl pointing out that Trump had "misstated the storm's possible trajectory," the president tweeted that it "WAS true" that Alabama "could possibly come into play." In a reply to his own tweet, Trump wrote "under certain original scenarios, it was in fact correct that Alabama could have received some 'hurt.'"

    Tuesday, Sept. 3:
    On Tuesday, the president retweeted updated Hurricane Dorian forecasts from the NHC, but did not tweet about Alabama.

    Wednesday, Sept. 4:

    On Wednesday, his Alabama argument returned with full force. The president tweeted an "ensemble" of a spaghetti plot created by the South Florida Water Management District. He tweeted that it showed "models" of where the hurricane would go, but it actually aggregates different statistical, atmospheric, and historic models that do not necessarily indicate a storm's path.

    In addition to Trump's incorrect interpretation, the map did not stem from the NHC, and was not intended to supersede the weather maps intended for political and public use. There is a warning label at the bottom that says to disregard the plot if it causes confusion. It was also dated August 28, several days before the forecast changed.

    Meanwhile, during a briefing at the White House on Wednesday, Trump produced a map of an earlier Dorian trajectory that a photo on his administration's Flickr page showed had been presented to the president during an August 29 briefing.

    In the initial photos, the map displayed an earlier forecast, but still not one that included Alabama in Dorian's path. In the Wednesday briefing, Trump was photographed with the map, which had been altered via a Sharpie marker to include Alabama in the outdated forecast. A White House spokesperson confirmed on Twitter that a Sharpie marker was used.

    By Wednesday, the altered map Trump displayed was six days out of date. Not only was it misinformation, but the president and his administration may have broken federal law in doing so, because it is illegal to knowingly publish counterfeit weather forecasts.

    Thursday, Sept. 5:
    On Thursday, the president retweeted his spaghetti plot tweet after reiterating that "In the early days of the hurricane, when it was predicted that Dorian would go through Miami or West Palm Beach, even before it reached the Bahamas, certain models strongly suggested that Alabama & Georgia would be hit as it made its way through Florida & to the Gulf."

    He tweeted again later to assert that "Alabama was going to be hit or grazed," then tweeted tropical-storm-force-winds projections from August 29 and 30 to show "Alabama was originally projected to be hit."

    Trump then quote-tweeted an August 30 tweet from the Alabama National Guard that said "#HurricaneDorian is projected to reach southern Alabama by the early part of the week. We are watching closely and #ready to act. Are you?"

    The president wrote "I was with you all the way Alabama. The Fake News Media was not!"

    Friday, Sept. 6:
    Trump resumed his attack on "The Fake News Media" on Friday, suggesting that reporters had hoped he made a mistake, which he reiterated that he didn't - although, of course, he did.

    The president by this point began using his mishap and the reporting on it to accentuate his narrative that US news media unfairly targets him. In reality, he failed to incorporate updated information into his public service announcements.

    In an erratic twist, he then tweeted a video compiled from a CNN report, footage of a car crash, and footage from one of his TV appearances.

    The video shows a CNN forecast of Dorian's path from before Saturday, when Alabama was still at risk of, in Trump's words, being "grazed or hit." The video stops and repeats the CNN soundbite of the word "Alabama" several times before showing a clip of Trump looking triumphant, and a car crashing and burning with the CNN logo superimposed over it.

    That was the latest input from the president concerning his misstatement.
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    Re: What Is 2019-2020 Reality Fake OR Fact

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    Biden's gaffs were not official administration memos ordering a gag order towards scientists the last time I checked.
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