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  1. #31
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    (Some) video card companies that were around in 1988:

    * ATI (ATI EGA Wonder, ATI VIP VGA)
    * Compaq
    * Everex
    * Hercules
    * NEC
    * Paradise
    * Quadram
    * Sigma
    * STB
    * Vega

    >>Founded in 1985, ATI employs more than 1,800 people at headquarters in...

    >>When was NVIDIA incorporated?
    >NVIDIA was incorporated in California in April 1993 and reincorporated in Delaware in April 1998.
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    no offence but what are you tryin to point out that they havent been around as long? I really dont understand the point you are makeing

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    Originally posted by MoDifiy
    no offence but what are you tryin to point out that they havent been around as long? I really dont understand the point you are makeing
    Just that ATI is a "long term survivor" that have been around 16 years. Nothing else really, but i find it interesting that they started up in 1985 and are still going strong. Not many hardware companies can say that.
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    ya but from what i hear their customer service isnt that great meaning driver updates and ect.. correct me if im wrong.

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    Their driver updates 'weren't' that great. The key word being weren't. I am a member of a car club and one of my friends over their is one of the techs responsible to the drivers at ATI. Started a few months ago. From what I've talked with him about, they are seriously revamping the whole driver area. LOT'S of changes and they are hoping to release drivers a lot more often and for each driver to be a big step ahead. He can't tell me any details due to a confidentiality agreement (his job depends on it) so I have no details. He just swears up and down that there are BIG things ahead for ATI.

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    OH Shit, here we go again! Ive got plenty of popcorn for this!

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    I sincerely HOPE that the 8500 gets better driver support, that way my gf4 I'll buy will have a more competitive price.




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    True, good things may be in the future for ATi...but nVidia already has great stuff made and available...

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    right

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    I think we need to look at things at a card by card comparison. I really couldnt care less if i get 130 fps in UT or 150. I mean, really what does it matter? Either card would be more than powerful enough for any game, hell... my TNT2 is powerful enough for any game, it might not be the BEST, but it can still run it. I am looking at new video cards now, and my friends are split on this issue. I have absolutely no company allegiences eventhough I didnt used to like ATI because of their OEM bullying and such... cheap cards for cheap companies, and all of that. The last few years ATI has really focused on good retail 3d cards. So, since they're both going to perform at more than enough speed, what do you want? Personally i like the dual monitor support on the 8500, TV out is pretty standard, DVI is pretty nifty to have. You're comparing who would win in a fight between a 500 pound tiger and a 500.5 pound tiger. I mean, factors such as color (ohhh, red... pretty) can even tip the scales.... that is the point it has come to. So, to answer the original, either is a good choice, whichever give you the options you want and costs the least.

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    but you must remember games are always getting more demanding you dont notice a difference becuase thats all youve ever had.

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    Originally posted by TamsR
    OH Shit, here we go again! Ive got plenty of popcorn for this!
    Anyone got any butter?

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    i've noticed a difference.... this isnt the only computer i have ever been on. I have played games on many different GF3s... and a few ati 7500s, and an 8500. They both beat the hell out of my tnt2, excessively. but overall they are about the same compared to eachother. so the only draw i imagine someone could have would be different features. Dual display, pretty red color, included games, pretty red color. I wouldnt pay 20-30 dollars extra to get a Nvidia card over an ATI. I also wouldnt spend 20-30 to get an ATI over a Nvidia. (with comparable specs, of course)

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    Originally posted by OrphanMethod
    i've noticed a difference.... this isnt the only computer i have ever been on. I have played games on many different GF3s... and a few ati 7500s, and an 8500. They both beat the hell out of my tnt2, excessively. but overall they are about the same compared to eachother. so the only draw i imagine someone could have would be different features. Dual display, pretty red color, included games, pretty red color. I wouldnt pay 20-30 dollars extra to get a Nvidia card over an ATI. I also wouldnt spend 20-30 to get an ATI over a Nvidia. (with comparable specs, of course)
    You're missing a KEY POINT here. ATI's 8500 has driver issues. Disappearing textures, shimmering, HUD displays in some fps games not working. GF3 has none of these driver problems. The choice is rather easy. Only choice is--> which gf3?

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    I agree with you Orphan...it just comes down to nickel and dimes.

    ...what the hell "nickel and dimes" I have no idea what that means, but it makes sense...or maybe it doesnt, ok im retarded..

    Anywho...
    I've only heard good things about the GeForce3 Ti500, and I usually hear bad things about ATi. In all aspects of the cards...the ATi may be better, but based on what I've heard...the GF3 seems to be the way to go.

    Now, I'd have no problem getting the 8500, but I can merely go on what I've heard, ya know?

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