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    P4 3Gig vs. Hammer (Athlon 64-Bit)

    If the P4 3 Gig will sell for $1219 CDN can someone tell me how much will the Athlon 64-Bit go for ??

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    Initially when they come out $500-600. (USD)

    After a few weeks $450-550.

    After 2-3 months $400-500.


    By the end of 2003 Athlon64 processors will be put into $999 OEM sysemts.

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    How can you compare P4 3Ghz to Hammer which won't be released until March or April? You can't go out and buy one even if you were willing to pay $4654152164165165416541654152635.99!
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    He's just giving a ballpark estimate of what he believes the price will be. I fail to see how the fact that the chip hasn't been released yet has any bearing on this.
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    First
    The hammer variant being released first is sledgehammer which will be released Q1 next year. This chip ( Operton ) will aimed at the P4 Xeon market, and will be priced prob around that price

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    The Athlon 64 (clawhammer) will not be out till the end of July at the earliest but when it is released to retail channels prob around 500 - 600 ($ don't know don't really care ! :P). The question is will the Athlon 3000+ be a ~2400mhz tbred or a 2250mhz Barton, my money would be the 3000+ being a tbred. The reason we might not get Barton as a 3000+ part would be that Intel releases a 3200mhz p4 before the end of feb meaing that AMD would have to put a part to market to look competative, and UMC ren't been able to ram up production of Barton produce a part meeting this spec.

    Personally I think Barton will be released @ 2250, 2416, 2583mHz giving PR ratings of 3000, 3200 & 3400 @ time intervals between now and July.

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    By the time clawhammer is released the P4 will prob be at 3.6GHz , and waiting in the wings will be the bloody prescot core. the year will still be hard for amd.
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    uh, no, intel doesn't have plans to release any more processors for quite some time, they probably wont have a 3.2GHz before the opteron is released

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    ChaosEngine where do you get your info? I have read nothing to suggest that ClawHammer won't be released until July. What the heck are you talking about. Post some bloody sources.


    "Well March and April are the tentative launch dates for the Hammer line of processors. A launch speed has also been tentatively assigned. But for those who want to know more I just need to know, "what is your NDA number? =) Let's just say for now that the planned launch speed is almost what we expected. As of Comdex, Hector stated that yeilds were at 50%." (AMD Zone)

    "All of the evidence suggests to us that this means AMD will use CeBIT 2003 (March 12-19) as a big launch pad for its "Hammer" family." (the Inquirer)



    "By the time clawhammer is released the P4 will prob be at 3.6GHz , and waiting in the wings will be the bloody prescot core."

    Once again ChaosEngine, where are you getting this info?

    "2.4GHz, 2.6GHz, 2.8GHz, 3.0GHz, and 3.2GHz will all be rereleased 2Q03 with an 800MHz FSB. Prescott will not come out until Q403." (the Inquirer)

    "Looking at Intel's CPU roadmap, it's interesting to note that Intel will not be scaling clock speeds next year as rapidly as they did in 2002. This makes a lot of sense considering how hot the new 3.06GHz Pentium 4 is running. Intel's current roadmap shows them not breaking the 3.06GHz barrier until the second quarter with the 3.2GHz Pentium 4. The last two quarters of 2003 are currently listed as > 3.20GHz and > 3.40GHz, mostly because Intel isn't exactly sure how high they can push their 0.13-micron Northwood cores." (Anandtech)

    "Also, after marching in double-quick time from 2.2GHz to 3.06GHz last year, Intel will slow to a stroll in terms of raising Pentium 4 clock speeds -- look for a 3.2GHz chip in the second quarter of 2003, but maybe no more than 3.4GHz by year's end." (CPU Planet)



    How do you like them apples?
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    I like 'em just fine

    I, however, will not be taking part of the Hammer glory until 3Q03 or 4Q03. I'm going to play with one of the new Tbred A 1700s in the meantime
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    Hi there I knew I missed something from that post >> the message stating that it is my opinion, and quite possibly a load of crap but even so.

    Now my statementabout claw hammer was based on what I read from an article I think was from the Inquirer which was released after AMD announced that they had delayed hammer introduction because of a minor deign change and SOI verification and the article aso stated that sledge hammer would get to market for the first quater of 2003 and clawhammer would be at best Q2, in the article it also stated that Barton would be the Athlon desktop processor for most of 2003.

    But until I can fiind that article again you can tread what I am saying as ramblings...

    If you can please find an article which explicitly mentions clawhammer and its release date in the same sentence, cause all the latest articles mention only opterons.

    heres one article
    >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5380

    damned if I can find the one i'm looking for, though.

    edit** about the P4 3.6GHz, well if you go to toms hardware guide you will find that they had or have an engineering sample P4 which they tested upto 3600MHz.


    Note to self>> "always remember to add the this just speculation sentance to post....."
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    I like apples but I prefere Oranges and Pineapples....

    Sorry for the mix up but the context of the thread was speculative and I was just following suit.

    Ands its just what I think but Intel could be holding back the faster CPus for counter punchs if AMD can introduce anthing to chanllenge the P4.
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    Originally posted by Intel vs AMD
    How can you compare P4 3Ghz to Hammer which won't be released until March or April? You can't go out and buy one even if you were willing to pay $4654152164165165416541654152635.99!
    Actually, I'm pretty sure AMD would hook you up with an early hammer if you gave em that much money.

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    Originally posted by ChaosEngine
    If you can please find an article which explicitly mentions clawhammer and its release date in the same sentence, cause all the latest articles mention only opterons.
    "The latter, still best known by the codename "ClawHammer," will make its long-awaited debut -- performance-labeled as a 3200+ or 3400+ chip, with a clock speed of around 2GHz -- in the late first or early second quarter of 2003." (CPU Planet)


    Originally posted by ChaosEngine

    edit** about the P4 3.6GHz, well if you go to toms hardware guide you will find that they had or have an engineering sample P4 which they tested upto 3600MHz.
    Toms. I wonder what he had to use to cool that thing. And isn't that the review that had the controversy over a picture being altered.
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    Originally posted by Dinsdale
    Actually, I'm pretty sure AMD would hook you up with an early hammer if you gave em that much money.
    I bet AMD would sell you a hammer right now for $10K and a signed NDA. Maybe even less.

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    P4s can reach 4Ghz on liquid nitrogen. So what?
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    cheeta05r cheers for the link I hadn't come across that site yet, though I still think clawhammer won't be released till july. Tough now I'm thinking that maybe we get a launch simular to ATi s 9x00 launch where one product will be launched and another annouced.

    I.e. opteron available for servers at launch with Athlon 64 being available for the summer.

    Not sure which one you mean, I think that was X bit labs who changed a benchmark report on their 3.06GHz hyperthreadthing review. But even so the S.N.D.S. weakness may or may not be a factor in how the P4 scales this year.
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