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Old 01-29-2008, 10:59 AM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

Not sure about the discrepancy, but going to take a guess here:

The sliders for the clock & memory were way up there at 700 and 900+, so even though stock settings are applied, what might have been happening is that something was triggering those slider settings to be applied.

I have moved the sliders all the way down to stock, but I guess I could test by leaving them up and going into Catalyst and checking. I have experienced about 5 crashes in twelve hours.

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Old 01-29-2008, 11:35 AM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

If I might suggest something.

Go here http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_ca...p/radeonxip-xp and download Catalyst_7.12_Driver and Catalyst_7.12_CCenter.
Do not download the Catalyst Software Suite - the CC won't work.
Go to http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163 and download RivaTuner 2.06

Uninstall everything connected with ATI in Control Panel.
Uninstall ATI tray and whatever other ATI tools.
Boot into Safe Mode and run Driver Cleaner and Cab Cleaner.

Install Catalyst_7.12_Driver.
Install Catalyst_7.12_CCenter
Install RivaTuner 2.06

If that doesn't help maybe a clean installation of XP or an RMA.

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Old 01-29-2008, 11:46 AM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

I could never get 7.12 to install after an un-install of 7.11

Seems like some vendors have edited driver files?

If I get the error again. I'll try exactly what you suggested. Then the same with 7.11 if .12 won't install.

Then RMA.

Then new install of Windows XP (moan).

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Old 01-29-2008, 11:52 AM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

Yeah I had trouble with 7.12 too until I tried installing the driver and the CC separately.

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Old 01-29-2008, 12:24 PM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

Cool! Any particular order for CCC & the Display Driver?

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Old 01-29-2008, 12:29 PM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

I'm pretty sure I did the driver first.
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:06 PM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

What card do have btw?

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Old 01-29-2008, 05:03 PM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

It's the Sapphire 3850 on the Infinity in my alternate sig below.
Bought it the first week they came out.
I had the 7.11 Cat then did the Crysis driver and then the 7.12 when it came out.
There's also an Omega one that I downloaded but haven't tried since mine works so well.



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Old 01-29-2008, 06:17 PM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

Okay, I'm probably going to jinx this whole "operation" but here goes.....

My sliders in ATI Overdrive were set real high even though the 3850 was running stock speeds, as stated previously, since manually lowering them to match the stock speeds, I haven't had a crash....(please no more!)

I really want to test the theory but first I have to try and stop the crashing.

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Old 02-01-2008, 09:48 AM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

I un-installed, used DriverCleaner, and was able to install the 8.1 dd then the ccc. Since ccc is only available for 8.1 as part of the "suite".....I used it, and luckily it worked.

So far I have not seen the grey bars, but I do get black screens or a no video/no connection vga disconnected screen after running a slideshow all night. Nothing else crashes this rig except J. river Media center and I highly doubt that this is the source of the problem.

The ATI 8.1 documentation mentions quite a few game related black screen fixes ....

Given the "change" in type of crash (now black screen rather than grey bars) does this sound hardware/driver related? I want to RMA the card but I guess I should try a fresh install.

I really thought that I found the source of the error with the "slider" issue I mentioned earlier.

In fact, with this fresh Catralysts install, the Overdrive is locked by default but greyed out sliders are up at the aformentioned settings: 750/950. I'm going to unlock Overdrive and move those all the way down to 300/829. I still have my suspicions that the card is overclocking itself a la "Repo Man" style.

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Old 02-01-2008, 09:49 AM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

BTW - Is CAB cleaner part of Driver Cleaner? I didn't run it if it is.

I should probably also try fresh installs of the 7.12 and maybe even an Omega?

DC

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Old 02-01-2008, 10:17 AM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

Can anyone reproduce the ATI Tool "error" where it seems to switch on the automated clock configurition utility in AMD Overdrive?

"The Windows XP operating system no longer hangs with a blank screen when running the Run Automated Clock Configuration Utility. Further details can be found in topic number 737-31611"

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Old 02-01-2008, 10:27 AM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

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Since ccc is only available for 8.1 as part of the "suite".....I used it, and luckily it worked.
The link I gave you was for the individual components that make up the 8.1 suite.
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BTW - Is CAB cleaner part of Driver Cleaner?
It's in the menu under Tools.
It's also in the help menu.
Did you read the readme file?
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Usage for XP / XP SP1 / XPSP2
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ATI:
1. Unplug nic card or modem from net or disconnect
2. Remove ATI driver from add/remove programs then remove the control panel from add/remove programs
3. Reboot into safe mode (F8 during boot up)
4. On reboot into safe mode WinXP SP1/SP2 will auto detect and install drivers. Just let it do its thing. If you can cancel out of the auto install hardware wizard then skip the rest and run Driver Cleaner! If you can NOT cancel out of auto detect wizard then...
5. Navigate to device mgr->display adapter->uninstall and/or remove ATI display adapter but do not reboot
6. Disable any AntiVirus Software (If you don't disable is than it could give trouble)
7. Run Cab Cleaner (not needed, but recommended)
8. Run Driver Cleaner
9. Empty recycle bin and reboot
10. Install the new drivers and control panel

The reason I suggested using Riva Tuner is because I had trouble using ATI's tools.

Perhaps someone else will kindly jump in.
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Old 02-01-2008, 11:35 AM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

Why EB, you're doing just fine!!
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Old 02-02-2008, 09:50 PM
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Re: GPU crash? BAFFLED by 3850

I have used Driver Cleaner 3 before, and noticed the app now on Guru3d is named Driver Cleaner Pro.

I'm going to do it all over again, but I'm confused a bit about the core/memory readings.

AMD Overdrive = core-300 / mem-928
RivaTuner = core-300 / 828

I manually set at 700/900 which jives with what I read online about 700/1800. SInce it's DDR3 wouldn't the mem be x 3 though?

Basically I'm trying to set the card at stock because it may be overclocked by HIS.

I'd use RivaTuner to try to do this but the lowest it will allow is 736/982 where as I can go down to 300/890 with ATI Overdrive.

I don't know much about this stuff but why is the core at 300 when I set at 700? Is it multipled by some factor???I assume Rivatuner is accurate and it reports 297; ATI Overdrive allows me to set at 700 but then reads, "Current Clock Speed = 300". Something about "2d" clocks?

DC

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