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Maybe in that particular instance. But voting irregularities and fraud is a issue that progressives have been trying to get to the forefront since the 2004 election, ie diebold voting machines and the blatant irregularities they cause.
And yet not a single comment from your "progressive" mind about your candidate's close personal and financial ties to an organization that habitually breaks the law and muddy's up the vote. Wanna bring the issue to the forefront? How about you start with ACORN? You and other "progressive's" silence on ACORN is pretty telling as to how sincere that pledge is.
how is that different then you ONLY bringing it up when it hurts your party. I can find dozens of cases on BOTH SIDES, so stop acting like it's exclusive to one party. What affiliations do you think the by corporations that make the voting machines have>?
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how is that different then you ONLY bringing it up when it hurts your party. I can find dozens of cases on BOTH SIDES, so stop acting like it's exclusive to one party. What affiliations do you think the by corporations that make the voting machines have>?
As usual.. the "progressive" mind shows it's inability to utter a single word of condemnation for an organization in it's own party who does exactly what it claims to be rallying against. I've never made the claim it was exclusive to one party.. so stop simply making sh*t up to buffer your false narrative. The topic here is ACORN.. not your Diebold fantasies.
In this very thread I have provided a laundry list of ACORN convictions from back in the 90's and ongoing current investigations on their activities. Showed that your candidate has close connections to them since the beginning of his career and still sends business their way to the tune of $800,000 to this very day.
Does that draw any rise from a "progressive" dead set on cleaning up elections since 2004 no less?? Nope. Instead you have offered up some liberal "progressive" wet dream story... despite the minor detail the author who penned it stated emphatically this was not election fraud.
I've never made the claim it was exclusive to one party.. so stop simply making sh*t up to buffer your false narrative. The topic here is ACORN.. not your Diebold fantasies.
You've just made my point. You only care about it if it effects your side. If it's your side doing the fraud, it's fantasy
You've just made my point. You only care about it if it effects your side. If it's your side doing the fraud, it's fantasy
With all due respect, in this thread Scooter has numerous news stories that document systematic fraud on the part of ACORN associates and other stories that show an association between Barack Obama and ACORN.
If you are able to show similar instances of organizations repeatedly perpetrating fraud on behalf of the Republican party and/or show an association between the McCain campaign and such organizations, then please do so. Thus far, you have posted about a supposed McCain-sponsored effort to defraud Democrat voters that has been shown to be (1) targetted/received primarily by McCain supporters and (2) a flyer that clearly is from the Republicans saying "don't vote for a Democrat".
Fools exist on both sides, no doubt, but you have not shown a premeditated effort on the behalf of an organization or the McCain campaign to deceive or fraudulently register voters. Do you dispute that Scooter has done so with respect to ACORN? Do you feel the information posted showing an association between Obama and ACORN is false?
With all due respect, in this thread Scooter has numerous news stories that document systematic fraud on the part of ACORN associates and other stories that show an association between Barack Obama and ACORN.
I understand that. I was just making a point. That it happens on both sides, and scooters reluctance to accept that. By calling it "fantasy" when it 's not effecting his party
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I understand that. I was just making a point. That it happens on both sides, and scooters reluctance to accept that. By calling it "fantasy" when it 's not effecting his party
No.. I'm calling your Diebold conspiracy theories fantasy. I've thoroughly documented my case against ACORN and Obama for having a long.. close and financial relationship with these known fraudsters to this very day. You have to this point not uttered a disparaging remark about either ACORN or Obama despite claiming that "progressives" care so much about cleaning up vote fraud.
Now, with the help of a 2008 Supreme Court decision, Crawford vs. Marion County (Indiana) Election Board, white Republicans in some areas will keep eligible blacks from voting by requiring driver's licenses. Not only is this new-fangled discrimination constitutional, it's spreading.
Now, with the help of a 2008 Supreme Court decision, Crawford vs. Marion County (Indiana) Election Board, white Republicans in some areas will keep eligible blacks from voting by requiring driver's licenses. Not only is this new-fangled discrimination constitutional, it's spreading.
The state elections agency is investigating complaints about a massive campaign mailing Republican Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign has directed toward Wisconsin Democrats and other voters.
That some evidence you have there CW.. 2 links to the same Newsweak article about people having to show a drivers license.. a rehash of that earlier story that has already been proven as bunk by the guy that penned the story and a press release from the Kerry campaign. Bravo!
And still not a peep about Obama and ACORN.... oh ye stalwart progressive protector of the vote..
I understand that. I was just making a point. That it happens on both sides, and scooters reluctance to accept that. By calling it "fantasy" when it 's not effecting his party
Why waste your time? How can you compete with the long list of Opblogs?
May 29, 2008 ... While Obama’s Acorn connection has not gone entirely unreported, its depth, extent, and significance have been poorly understood. ...
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According to ACORN, Obama trained its Chicago members in leadership seminars; in turn, ... Barack Obama, ACORN’s senator, is for more of the same old, ...
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Obama sued on behalf of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. The League of Women Voters and other public-interest groups joined ...
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GOTV for Obama! Ohio ACORN is doing a Get Out The Vote project with the OBAMA Campaign. Ohio ACORN is hiring canvassers to go door to door encouraging ...
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It seems that in reality that Obama is ACORN’s way to overthrow the system from the inside. This jives with his words such as “I am for hope and change, ...
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Aug 22, 2008 ... Readers should be sure to check out the new story out in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review about some questionable Obama campaign spending ... www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/08/obamas_acorn_pr.php - 84k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
Aug 22, 2008 ... Of course, I’ve already written about Obama’s ties to ACORN in "Inside Obama’s Acorn," and I’ve got much more on Obama’s questionable role ...
corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDQ0MDBmMjQwZmYxYzhlZjc3ZGFk... - 18k -
It's not about looking at the actual news reports and finding a more realistic and less benign picture being presented. It's about reading the links, some of which I'm sure have been reproduced here, and having the situation tied into a candidate with no possible question of his guilt.
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OK, so I took a look at your first and last links. The first? I realize views vary, but I find it indefensible to claim efforts to verify voter eligibility should cease. Personally I want each state to provide no-cost IDs, and to deliver them at no cost, to any who request them. Eliminate the concerns over "poor folks don't have licenses and can't afford IDs" and then enforce ID laws. The second? Call me naive, but I wager 10 reports of wrong addresses would be a remarkably low number if mailing out thousands or hundreds of thousands of mailers. Indeed, a similar problem is responsible for Wisconsin's rate of ineligible registrations of late. People move, people have more than one address, people have a typo on their license or form, etc. Silly me to think this is unintentional on the part of the McCain campaign.
I'm still waiting for any semblence of ACORNish tactics being tied to the right. They may well exist, in fact I'd be kinda surprised if they didn't to a degree, but they aren't near so prevalent as ACORN's activities for the left and to my knowledge there has been no connection established between any such efforts and the McCain campaign.
I wonder why it is only Democratic voters who complain about being disenfranchised.
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