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Old 08-15-2009, 08:09 PM
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What Is Your Favorite Military Pre 1950 Aircraft?

Hey guys and gals a thread started over in the Folding Forum talking about various aircraft with the primary hit on WWII. However thought it would be neat to move the fun over here to get it in front of more people.

This will be for “general” talk about your experiences or just plan fun of telling us why you like a specific plane(s). However don’t want any “debates" & “flaming” but it would be nice it you make specific claims you provide the data. In my case a lot of the ones I’ll mention will be a subjective “I like this plane” be it for strictly looks or whatever.

However to make it easier for y’all to talk or read about aircraft you like thought to divide it up so there will be 4 threads……..

Military Pre 1950
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Re: What Is Your Favorite Military Pre 1950 Aircraft?

Okay to get this rolling I post my #1 fav aircraft of WWII......TA-152H. Sadly I'm not coming up with pics right now.
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Re: What Is Your Favorite Military Pre 1950 Aircraft?

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/Girl...ElkeJeisen.jpg
sopwith camel , like the looks of it, don't you?
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Re: What Is Your Favorite Military Pre 1950 Aircraft?

Again, the C-47, with the p-38 hanging on to its horiz stab.

P-38 would have been first had you specified fighters only
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http://www.aviationexplorer.com/Girl...ElkeJeisen.jpg
sopwith camel , like the looks of it, don't you?
Ahhhh the forground is a bit distracting!


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Again, the C-47, with the p-38 hanging on to its horiz stab.

P-38 would have been first had you specified fighters only
WWII USAAF for me would be the P-38 also for fighter! Actually we're talking all aircraft and before it's over I'll be listing favorites by specialty and country.

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Okay to get this rolling I post my #1 fav aircraft of WWII......TA-152H. Sadly I'm not coming up with pics right now.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_152
a brother to the 152 http://cs.finescale.com/forums/1124666/PrintPost.aspx
http://www.luchtoorlog.be/fw190d.htm (text in Dutch)
Kurt Tank biography http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Kurt_Tank
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Kurt_Tank

http://www.aeropedia.be/web/content.php?article.1000831
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( all found by Googling "Kurt Tank 152" )


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Again, the C-47, with the p-38 hanging on to its horiz stab.

P-38 would have been first had you specified fighters only
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What about the P-51 with the RR Merlin engine(s) !?


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What about the P-51 with the RR Merlin engine(s) !?


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Ahhhh the forground is a bit distracting!
That's ok if she's along for the ride!




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Re: What Is Your Favorite Military Pre 1950 Aircraft?

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One of my favourites (German) is the Me 262 Schwalbe (swallow) http://images.google.be/images?q=me+...title&resnum=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262

I believe, their first operational jet fighter ...

More beautiful, of course, is the AR234 http://images.google.be/images?q=ar2...title&resnum=5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_234


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Military Pre 1950 Aircraft?

noorman........had those links but there are some somewhere that shows it sooo much better!

On the Arado....can't agree with you more, I mentioned it over in the folding forum thread!
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Re: What Is Your Favorite Military Pre 1950 Aircraft?

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U.S. favourites of mine are the P-38, P-51, P47 (a monster of a fighter) and the Navy's Chance Vought F4U Corsair with its W-shaped wing ...

Also a favourite model of mine was the P-61 Black Widow http://images.google.be/images?q=p-6...title&resnum=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-61_Black_Widow


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Military Pre 1950 Aircraft?

Correction!! Didn't find this one! http://www.aeropedia.be/web/content.php?article.1000831 and it has the three view I was looking for!! Only my German leaves a lot to be desired!

I still think the He-219 is "prettier" than the P-61!

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Correction!! Didn't find this one! http://www.aeropedia.be/web/content.php?article.1000831 and it has the three view I was looking for!! Only my German leaves a lot to be desired!

I still think the He-219 is "prettier" than the P-61!

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- the aeropedia link has Dutch text (too), not German (it 's even a Flemish site); I 'll translate it for you and post it here

- I too find the lines of the He219 (Uhu = Owl) more beautiful, but those of the P-61 are very distinguishable and special, I think anyway.


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Military Pre 1950 Aircraft?

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Here you go: Source = http://www.aeropedia.be/web/content.php?article.1000831

Focke Wulf Ta-152

In de herfst van 1943 werd Fw 190D omgenummerd tot de Ta 152, waarbij de 'Ta' stond voor Tank, ontwerper van de Fw 190 serie. Toch was de Ta 152 niet een directe kopie van de Fw 190D, maar bevatte vele nieuwe ontwikkelingen. De 'flap' en landinggestel werden niet meer elektrisch, maar hydraulisch. Er werd een extra 30mm MK 108 kanon aangebracht dat door de spinner schoot van de propeller. De eerste serie Ta 152A-1 had dezelfde motor als de Fw 190, de Jumo 213A-1, maar de Ta 152B-0 versie had de Jumo 213E-1die 1750 pk produceerde. In augustus 1944 werd de productie aangevangen met de Ta 152A en B, maar slechts in kleine aantallen geproduceerd. Na de eerste ervaringen tijdens luchtgevechten werden er radicale veranderingen aangebracht, die de Ta 152C-1 zou worden. Deze machine werd aangedreven door een Daimler-Benz DB 603LA met 1800 pk vermogen. Ontwikkeld als jachtvliegtuig werd het meest ingezet als grondaanvaller. De spanwijdte was opgelopen, ten opzichte van de Fw 190D (10,50 m), tot 11,10 m. De Ta 152E waren verkennertoestellen met minder bewapening.

In the fall of 1943, the FW 190D was renumbered to Ta 152 where Ta stood for Tank, the designer of the FW 190 series. (Note: Kurt Tank) The Ta 152 wasn’t a direct copy if the FW 190; it contained new developments. The ‘flap’ and landing gear no longer were electric, but hydraulically driven. An extra 30mm MK 108 cannon was mounted, shooting through the spinner of the prop. The first series 152A-1 had the same motor as the Fw 190, de Jumo 213A-1, but the Ta 152B-0 version had the Jumo 213E-1 who developed 1750 hp.
In August of 1944 production started with the Ta 152A and B, but only in small numbers. After the first in-fight experiences, radical changes were made, which would result in the Ta 152C-1. This model had a Daimler-Benz DB 603LA power plant developing 1800 hp. Developed as a fighter, it was mainly used as a ground-attack airplane. Wing span was enlarged, in reference to the Fw 190D (10,50 m), to 11,10 m. The Ta 152E were reconnaissance planes with less weaponry.


De laatste versie van de Ta 152, was de H serie. Dit was een toestel voor grote hoogte dat een spanwijdte had van 14.43 m. In deze versie werd weer teruggegrepen op de Jumo 213 E-1. Deze 1750 pk motor gaf het toestel een maximum snelheid van 759 km/u op 12.500 meter hoogte. Tijdens één van de testvluchten, uitgevoerd door Kurt tank zelf, in december 1944, werd hij onderschept door twee Amerikaanse P-51D Mustangs. Tank drukte de gashendel naar voren en wist gemakkelijk aan zijn belagers te ontkomen. In januari 1945 liepen de eerste Ta 152H-1 van de productielijn. Er werden er slechts een tiental gebouwd en er werden maar sporadisch ingezet, de meeste om de vliegvelden van de Me 262 te beschermen (die tijdens start en landing enorm kwetsbaar waren). Daartoe hadden deze toestellen een bewapening van één 30mm MK 108 kanon en twee 20mm MG 151 kanonnen. Totale productie van alle Ta 152 toestellen bedroeg 93 machines waaronder 26 prototypes.

The last version of the Ta 152, was the H series. This was a model for high altitude with an extra large wingspan of 14.43 m. For this version, the Jumo 213 E-1 was reintroduced. This 1750 hp power plant gave the plane a maximum speed of 759 km/u at 12.500 meter. During one of the test-flights, performed by Kurt tank himself, in December 1944, he was intercepted by two American P-51D Mustangs. Tank pushed the throttle forward and easily escaped his attackers. In January 1945 the First Ta 152H-1 planes left the production line. Only about ten were produced and were used only sporadically, mostly to protect the Me 262 Airfields (who were very vulnerable during take-off and landing). For this purpose, these planes had one 30mm MK 108 canon and two 20mm MG 151 canon. Total production of all Ta 152 planes amounted to 93 planes of which 26 were prototypes.


Op bovenstaande foto is de enige bewaard gebleven Ta 152 te zien. Het betreft hier de Ta 152H-0/R-11 die in 1945 naar Amerika werd verscheept om uitvoerig getest te worden. Het toestel diende bij het JG301. Tegenwoordig is dit toestel in opslag bij het National Air and Space Museum. Wat betreft de andere Fw 190 types; zoals reeds hierboven aangehaald zijn er nog vijf Fw 190D's bewaard gebleven (waarvan twee niet meer dan een wrak). Van de Fw 190F serie zijn nog 8 stuks bewaard gebleven waarvan een F-8 op dit moment in restauratie tot vliegwaardig conditie wordt gemaakt in Kissimmee, Verenigde Staten. Deze machine diende ooit bij het 5./JG9 en heeft nog een originele BMW 801D-2 motor.

On the above picture the only saved Ta 152 can be seen. It ‘s a Ta 152H-0/R-11 which was shipped to the U.S. to be tested extensively. This plane served under JG301 (note: Jagd Geschwader = Fighter Squadron 301). Today, this plane is mothballed at the National Air and Space Museum. Concerning other Fw 190 types; as noted in the above, there still are five Fw 190D's kept (of which two are no more than wrecks). Of the Fw 190F series, 8 have been saved of which an F-8 model, being restored to flight condition at this moment in Kissimmee, U.S.. This plane once served with 5./JG9 and still has an original BMW 801D-2 power plant.




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