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Old 12-12-2004, 08:14 PM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives...

i didnt try real hard with the demo,but it did blank out soon as i tried to actually use a function.maybe some browing around in the acronis forum will give some clue as to how fast it will backup for you.the read and writes are quite fast in a 3 drive array.they take it as fast as the ide drive will give it basically.
thinking back to ghost and via chipset 2 drives(raid-0),i think it would take around 10 minutes to ghost the same setup which gives hint that i wouldnt buy this one just for the aspect of quicker backups alone.the older version,ghost 7,did me well until now and this dilemna
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Old 12-12-2004, 08:23 PM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives...

Transfer between ANY two drives is ultimately limited by the slower of the two.
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Old 12-12-2004, 08:29 PM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives...

thx.i hope that was what i sounded like i was saying BWM.the faster raptors are taking it in as fast as the the slower ata133 will give it.thats pretty fast.I love these drives.what can i say?
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Old 12-12-2004, 08:51 PM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives...

nvraid and ghost *SOLVED*

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Using Ghost in NVRAID
Problem
The Symantec Ghost Client can interface with hard disk controllers by accessing the
appropriate memory and hardware locations directly. However, in doing so, this can
bypass the RAID enhancements that are provided by the system BIOS. The system
BIOS understands the underlying disk and RAID array structures and formats. In
order to properly use Ghost to interact with a RAID volume, the user should ensure
that the tool is operating in a mode where it does not talk directly to the hardware
resources, but rather communicates using the system BIOS.

Solution
In order to use Ghost in a RAID volume, the user must:
1. Disable the Ghost Direct Disk Access
2. Force it to rely on Extended INT13 to access the disk

Ghost Version 7.5
To set these options for Ghost Version 7.5, do the following:
1. Start Ghost from the DOS prompt. (Not the Windows Command
2. Prompt session)
3. Select the “Options” (ALT+O) menu
4. Scroll to the “HDD Access” tab
5. Select the “Use Extended Interrupt 13h disk access” (ALT+E)
6. Select the “Disable direct IDE access support” (ALT+B)
7. Select the “Disable direct ASPI/SCSI access support” (ALT+B)
8. Press (ALT+A) to activate the “Accept” button to use the new settings
9. Proceed to run Ghost as normal

Ghost Version 8.0
To set the options for Ghost Version 8.0, do the following:
1. Use the command line option to disable direct disk access and enable INT13
2. In DOS prompt, start Ghost with this command line: ghost.exe -ffx -fni
Note:
ffx - Prefers the use of Extended Interrupt 13h disk access for hard disk
operations.
fni - Disable direct IDE access support for IDE hard disk operations.

VERY SPECIAL THANKS TO KYLE BENNETT OF HARDOCP http://www.hardocp.com

http://msihq.designlab.info/thread.p...999#post481999
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Old 12-12-2004, 09:09 PM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives...

holy crap.awesome!!i just tried that out.works fine.
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Old 12-12-2004, 09:49 PM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives[resolved]...

I have sort of got it to work with ghost9 .
I have written a plug-in for nvraid/nvide for the bartWinPE cd made with PEBuilder 3032.
V2I Images can then be browsed with imagebrowser and files/catalogs be restored
to arrays partitions .
The thing that does not yet work properly is the V2I protector executable cause the bart plug-in for .Net gives problems .(not sorted out this yet)
The BartWinPE cd is also of course equipped with ghost9 plugin .
So basicly the PC is booted with bootable Windows PE cd (like the ghost9 CD) ,
windows runs from cd&ram . And all the nvraid arrays is visible .Restoration made
with V2I image browser .

The plug-in ( INF file ) :
code:


; PE Builder v3 plug-in INF file
; NVIDIA RAID (Windows XP)
; Created by Syar2003

[Version]
Signature= "$Windows NT$"

[PEBuilder]
Name="DSK_NvRaid"
Enable=1

[SourceDisksFiles]
nvraid.sys=4,,1
nvatabus.sys=4,,1

[SetValue]
"txtsetup.sif","SourceDisksFiles","nvraid.sys", "1,,,,,,_x,4,1,0,0"
"txtsetup.sif","SourceDisksFiles","NvAtaBus.sys", "1,,,,,,_x,4,1,0,0"
"txtsetup.sif","SCSI.Load","nvatabus", "nvatabus.sys,4"
"txtsetup.sif","SCSI.Load","nvraid", "nvraid.sys,4"
"txtsetup.sif","SCSI","nvatabus", """NVIDIA NForce Storage Controller"""
"txtsetup.sif","SCSI","nvraid", """NVIDIA RAID CLASS DRIVER"""
"txtsetup.sif","HardwareIdsDatabase","PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_008E", """nvatabus"""
"txtsetup.sif","HardwareIdsDatabase","PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0085", """nvatabus"""
"txtsetup.sif","HardwareIdsDatabase","PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_00D5", """nvatabus"""
"txtsetup.sif","HardwareIdsDatabase","PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_00EE", """nvatabus"""
"txtsetup.sif","HardwareIdsDatabase","PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_00E3", """nvatabus"""
"txtsetup.sif","HardwareIdsDatabase","PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_00E5", """nvatabus"""
"txtsetup.sif","HardwareIdsDatabase","*_NVRAIDBUS", """nvraid"""
"txtsetup.sif","HardwareIdsDatabase","GenNvRaidDisk", """nvraid"""





If the BartWinPE cd is equipped with ghost8 you should be able to restore
full disks/partitions with the *.gho extension .
But then the images must be buildt with ghost8 (from the BartWinPE cd first).
Though i have not had the time to test that yet .

Links:
Plug-in repository
http://www.reatogo.de/BartPE/BartPE_...repository.htm
PeBuilder
http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

http://msihq.designlab.info/thread.php?threadid=68565

note the i is not me but the poster at msi

Last edited by wonkanoby : 12-12-2004 at 09:54 PM.
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Old 12-12-2004, 10:07 PM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives[resolved]...

Outstanding work, wonkanoby.

Will stickey this right now and extract your fix later tonight. Thanks, from everyone
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Old 12-12-2004, 11:43 PM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives[resolved]...

i want to make it quite clear none of its mine

there are 2 users at msi and the guy on the forum mentioned in one of them

i just nicked it
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Old 12-13-2004, 12:15 AM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives[resolved]...

Understood
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Old 12-13-2004, 01:21 AM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives[resolved]...

Great work, wonkanoby, on calling attention to the explanation. Lots of good stuff in this thread overall.
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Old 12-13-2004, 07:44 PM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives[resolved]...

thanks wonkaboy for sharing the info, I was just going to repost it here as well..
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Old 01-06-2005, 03:31 PM
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Post Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives[resolved]...

I'd like to add my experiences with NVRAID imaging.

I have an MSI K8N Neo Platinum board with an nForce3 250GB chipset. I'm running two 36GB Raptors in RAID 0 and I haven't been able to image my OS ever since I built this rig. Acronis TrueImage 7.0 will create and verify images if I use the "Safe" boot CD. But TrueImage will not restore from those images--it hosed my OS and took out a data partition as well when I tried. Without backup CDs, I would have been screwed.

Seemed like the only other contender was Ghost 9.0, but I was put off by its requirements for .NET framework and activation. Also, its support for RAID seemed spotty at best. I don't trust Symantec products anyway, having been burned a few times before.

I was ready to give up on RAID and run the Raptors seperately just so I could image and restore with Acronis. However, I discovered TeraByte Unlimited's Image For Windows and Image for DOS. I downloaded their fully-functional 30-day trial version and tested it on my NVRAID setup. I'm happy to say that it works flawlessly; I've had no problems with creating or restoring an image, OS or otherwise. At 2MB, it's a small program, with a plain vanilla GUI and no bell's 'n' whistles. You can create an image while you're in Windows and restore from there as well. The OS must be restored by booting with the Image For DOS part of the program.

I'm impressed with TeraByte Unlimited's solution to imaging. And I'm happy that I can image and restore my NVRAID volumes. In fact, I went ahead and bought the registered version for $27:
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/
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Old 01-06-2005, 05:09 PM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives[resolved]...

That's scary about Acronis, Doc. Thanks for the tip. I'll definitely do some non-critical testing before I feel safe with True Image.
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Old 01-08-2005, 03:59 AM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives[resolved]...

Okay so Ghost 9 works? How do I get it to work? I cant follow whats above sorry I am retarded......
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Old 01-09-2005, 04:48 PM
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Re: nf3,raid,and imaging drives[resolved]...

As an addition to creating and restoring images from/to nvraid it might be interesting for all to know that DriveImage 7.01 is hacked/modified to work with the cd.
The CD needs to be ripped to iso and reburned after some changes been done to include the
nv-drivers .
After this the recovery enviroment loads from the cd and see the nvidiaraid perfectly ,
and restore of v2i images can be done as they are supposed to .

Restoring from cd boot and image stored on external USB 2.0 to partition C on nvraid:


Ref: http://forum.msi.com.tw/thread.php?p...274#post491274

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