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Suicide Bomber in Mosul was a SAUDI Arabian Medical Student
Saudi Medical Student Was Mess Tent Suicide Bomber in Iraq - educated hard-line Saudi society causing terrorisms against Americans
Sonia Chopra, Special Correspondent
January 04, 2004
In nine eleven terrorism, it was mostly Saudi educated youth that caused terrorism in America, The suicide bomber who killed 22 people when he blew himself up in a US army mess tent the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, was a Saudi medical student, an Arab newspaper reported today.
Saudi-owned Asharq Al-Awsat identified him as 20-year-old Ahmed al-Ghamdi. The friends said members of an Iraqi resistance group contacted al-Ghamdi’s father to tell him his son was the suicide bomber who carried out the December 21 attack, the deadliest on an American installation in Iraq.
Ansar al-Sunnah an Iraqi militant group claimed the responsibilities. According to the father of Ahmed al-Ghamdi, he went to Iraq to fight the Americans. The militant group informed his father that he was the December 21 suicide bomber.
While United States maintains normal friendly if not closer relationship with the Saudi Government, it is obvious that there is something happening in that society that makes so many people available to commit suicide to create terror in and against America.
It may be time for America to look into the causes that is creating that amount of dissentient in a country that is officially an ally and one of the largest suppliers of crude oil to America. Some experts say, the root cause is embedded deep in the Saudi society. America’s especially George Bush’s good relationship with the Saudi family may be backfiring in this case. It is possible that the Saudi Royal Family is perceived as someone hijacking the country with the help of Americans. If that is the case America may have found the root cause of hatred from common Saudi people.
The fact that such a large number of people in Saudi educated society is ready to commit suicide for terrorizing Americans, shows that America needs to address this right at its heart. Osama Bin Laden is also from Saudi Arabia.
It may be that America’s best interest will be served if democracy is first implemented in Saudi Arabia. As President Bush said a few days back, democracies do not wage war against other countries, democracy in Saudi Arabia may solve the problem.
If it weren't for the oil contracts we have with the Saudis and the buddy-buddy business dealings with the Bush family and the Sauds and the bin Ladens, we'd have been all over Saudi Arabia.
Kinda sounds familiar, eh? Remember France, Germany, and Russia hedging over invading Iraq? They had business dealings with Iraq. But, we have the bigger military so what we say goes.
Sound Familiar? "If we quit Vietnam," President Lyndon Johnson warned, "tomorrow we'll be fighting in Hawaii, and next week we'll have to fight in San Francisco."
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Originally Posted by Soundforbjt
If it weren't for the oil contracts we have with the Saudis and the buddy-buddy business dealings with the Bush family and the Sauds and the bin Ladens, we'd have been all over Saudi Arabia.
Exactly. As that article points out, the 9/11 bombers were mostly Saudis. The majority of the money that supports Al Quaeda is Saudi. Bin Laden is Saudi. But the US attacked Iraq. Trouble map-reading, boys?
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Originally Posted by Soundforbjt
If it weren't for the oil contracts we have with the Saudis and the buddy-buddy business dealings with the Bush family and the Sauds and the bin Ladens, we'd have been all over Saudi Arabia.
You're trying to make a connetion where there isn't one.
Stop confusing hard liner Saudi citizens with the Saudi Government.
The Saudi government has been very helpful fighting terrorism and was proven to not fund or promote terrorism by the 9/11 commission report if you actually read it.
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Kinda sounds familiar, eh? Remember France, Germany, and Russia hedging over invading Iraq? They had business dealings with Iraq. But, we have the bigger military so what we say goes.
No. They had illegal oil dealings with Iraq. Far different issue here. Plus we're talking about a few rogue citizens as opposed to the Saudi Government.
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Originally Posted by Andrew LB
You're trying to make a connetion where there isn't one.
Stop confusing hard liner Saudi citizens with the Saudi Government.
The Saudi government has been very helpful fighting terrorism and was proven to not fund or promote terrorism by the 9/11 commission report if you actually read it.
That same 9/11 commission also proved Iraq not supporting terrorism-that aside.
But there is quite a connection between Saudi Arabia, and terrorism. Al Qaida has it's roots in a form of Islam(if you can call it that) called "Wahhabism".
Link::http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...wwewi.asp?pg=2
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"basic religious freedoms are denied to all [Saudi citizens] but those who adhere to the state-sanctioned version of Sunni Islam . . . commonly called Wahhabi."
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...a seminary for the training of clerics in Wahhabism. Familiarly known as the "terrorist factory," this institution was the alma mater of three of the 9/11 suicide hijackers.
Basically, this text(qft) speaks of:
*Wahhabism clerics altered the English translation of 1)a certain verse in the Koran, creating some sort of denouncement for Jews and Christians by Allah, and 2)added a verse to the 'Koran', in which 'Allah' denounces everyone who is no Muslim. Sounds familiar?
This is explicitly indoctrinated in everyone that follow this wahhabi faith.
*The Saudian govt. only approves for this sort of faith, making life difficult for real Muslims, and impossible for most non-Muslims(except when they bring in cash, for oil e.g.). Until a few years ago, virtually every wahhabist had the Saudi nationality.
*To real Muslims, the Koran is absolute, and alterations, never mind addenda are strictly forbidden.
Now, until recently(long after 9/11), Al Qaida consisted of mostly this sort of 'Muslims'. Even now, the puppeteers of Al Qaida will probably be for majority wahhabists.
Until recently, I said. It is essentially the Bush administration that has caused terrorism to be widespread across the globe. The support for Israel during the second intifada, and MOSTLY the war on Iraq are the causes. Al Qaida has very handily been able to recruit their charred meat on the growing hatred among Muslims for the US.
It may also be important to note that a lot of 'Muslims' in the US are of this wahhabi branch. Especially among the higher ranking Muslims in the US.
I believe there is NO WAY that the US intelligence services could not have known that. In fact, the close ties of especially the Bush-clan with the Saudi royal family, and the Bin Laden family(oil), with exception of Osama of course, makes for irrefutable knowledge of this, unless they had **** in their ears.
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Originally Posted by Andrew LB
No. They had illegal oil dealings with Iraq. Far different issue here. Plus we're talking about a few rogue citizens as opposed to the Saudi Government.
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Originally Posted by Wardibald
That same 9/11 commission also proved Iraq not supporting terrorism-that aside.
BS. The 9/11 commission showed that they could not "find" any "collaborative" support of Saddam and Al-Qaeda. Which is far different than having ties or supporting other terrorist groups like Hamas, the PLO, Fatah, etc. (which are all 100% proven to be true)
But there is quite a connection between Saudi Arabia, and terrorism. Al Qaida has it's roots in a form of Islam(if you can call it that) called "Wahhabism".
Link::http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...wwewi.asp?pg=2
There is a huge difference between extremists coming out of saudi arabia under the direction and support of fundamentalist religious leaders and actual support of the Saudi government.
Is it that hard for you guys to understand?
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Until recently, I said. It is essentially the Bush administration that has caused terrorism to be widespread across the globe. The support for Israel during the second intifada, and MOSTLY the war on Iraq are the causes. Al Qaida has very handily been able to recruit their charred meat on the growing hatred among Muslims for the US.
Your accusations are both rediculous and inaccurate.
Terrorist attacks by Muslims has gone on for over 100 years and started long before the creation of Israel. During the 90's alone the US and its interests were attacked almost a dozen times. The first WTC bombing, various embassy bombings, USS Cole bombing, Kobar Towers bombing, etc.
Also, the terrorist attacks in Russia by muslims were going on the entire time.
Trying to say Bush was the cause of this is about as stupid as saying all muslims are terrorists.
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I believe there is NO WAY that the US intelligence services could not have known that. In fact, the close ties of especially the Bush-clan with the Saudi royal family, and the Bin Laden family(oil), with exception of Osama of course, makes for irrefutable knowledge of this, unless they had **** in their ears.
The the connections were there with Clinton, and previous administrations. Try watching farenhype 9/11 and educate yourself.
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Originally Posted by Andrew LB
The Saudi government has been very helpful fighting terrorism and was proven to not fund or promote terrorism by the 9/11 commission report if you actually read it.
theyre also very helpful at removing heads, and i hear they are pretty handy with a cane and stones.
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And if they do catch a terrorist... i think they should be able to administer whatever justice they deem fit on.
I have no sympathy for terrorists.
Because evil doesn't beget more evil or anything. You're quite the man of double standards, Andrew.
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Because evil doesn't beget more evil or anything. You're quite the man of double standards, Andrew.
You're confusing justice with 'evil'.
Just like most people confuse the 10 commandments where it says "thou shalt not murder" which is the proper translation. It doesn't say "thou shalt not kill".
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Originally Posted by Orangutan
Because evil doesn't beget more evil or anything. You're quite the man of double standards, Andrew.
More BS from the Orang.
FYI, a quick death for a terrorist is too good a punishment, if you ask me I'd say a very, very protracted painful and public death would be the best way to deal with it, either that or incinerate them along with the countries that would host them.
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Originally Posted by Andrew LB
BS. The 9/11 commission showed that they could not "find" any "collaborative" support of Saddam and Al-Qaeda. Which is far different than having ties or supporting other terrorist groups like Hamas, the PLO, Fatah, etc. (which are all 100% proven to be true)
From your link:
"The Baathist government’s contacts and collaboration with terrorists in general, al-Qaeda in particular, andeven the September 11 conspirators should make all Americans highly grateful that President Bush led an international effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power. "
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Originally Posted by Andrew LB
BS. The 9/11 commission showed that they could not "find" any "collaborative" support of Saddam and Al-Qaeda. Which is far different than having ties or supporting other terrorist groups like Hamas, the PLO, Fatah, etc. (which are all 100% proven to be true)
After reading that text, I must say it is one of the most biased texts I have ever read. The name of the site alone suggests this already.
*typical playing on the feelings of readers. Photographs, and biographies of terror victims(to which the link to Saddam is eiter nonexistent or very far fetched). I'm sure you wouldn't call photos and biographies of civilean victims by US warfare in Iraq "unbiased".
*a list of terror attacks + amount of victims, including e.g. "MEK", which opposed Saddams regime(their reason of existance), "Abu Nidal", which has not committed an attack on Western targets since 1978, and Hamas, to which the links to Saddam consist only of those donations to families of "martyrs".
Very circumstantial list, no?
*The text begins with an attempt to demonise Saddam.
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"Here he was in his glory days, perhaps relishing the fact that he had invaded Kuwait, burned its oil fields in a dastardly act of eco-vandalism, killed some 5,000 of his own people with chemical weapons at Halabjah, and stuffed another 400,000 or so of his constituents into mass graves."
bias speaks for itself here.
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Originally Posted by Andrew LB
There is a huge difference between extremists coming out of saudi arabia under the direction and support of fundamentalist religious leaders and actual support of the Saudi government.
Is it that hard for you guys to understand?
At least try to attack my point. The text I quoted in my previous post gives clear examples of how the SAUDI GOVERNMENT hinders ANYONE not wahhabist, including moderate Muslims.
Wahhabism, as I said, seems to be a 'form of Islam' specifically created to recruit/brainwash terrorists.
*It is the only Saudian state-sponsored form of Islam
*Almost all wahhabists have the Saudian nationality. Those that do not, have links with the country.
*before and shortly after 9/11, about all terrorist attacks were organised by wahhabists.
*15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, and wahhabist.
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Originally Posted by Andrew LB
Your accusations are both rediculous and inaccurate.
Terrorist attacks by Muslims has gone on for over 100 years and started long before the creation of Israel. During the 90's alone the US and its interests were attacked almost a dozen times. The first WTC bombing, various embassy bombings, USS Cole bombing, Kobar Towers bombing, etc.
Also, the terrorist attacks in Russia by muslims were going on the entire time.
Trying to say Bush was the cause of this is about as stupid as saying all muslims are terrorists.
The the connections were there with Clinton, and previous administrations. Try watching farenhype 9/11 and educate yourself.
Again you fail to attack my point here. Of course the connections were there before 9/11. That IS my point. The Saudian connections. The wahhabi connections. The examples of terrorist attacks you posted all have the wahhabi link in them. Even the Palestinean ones.
I'm surprised you as political scientist in spe, do not know of this wahhabism.
Only now, after the war on Iraq, terrorism is becoming(has become) more and more mainstream for Muslims.
Answer me now:
Before the war on terror, did a terroristic attack happen every day, like is happening now?
For every major event in the world(sports events, state leader visits...), before the Iraq invasion, was it necessary to take extreme and costly counterterrorist measures?
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Originally Posted by otoc
From your link:
"The Baathist government’s contacts and collaboration with terrorists in general, al-Qaeda in particular, andeven the September 11 conspirators should make all Americans highly grateful that President Bush led an international effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power. "
Propaganda and a rewrite of history, it seems.
Carry on...
and try reading your sources for a change.
Atta did visit Baghdad on at least one occasion. So did Bin Ladens boy Zarqawi after being injured in Afghanistan.
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I'm surprised you as political scientist in spe, do not know of this wahhabism.
I know what Wahhabism is. The issue here is whether its the saudi governemnt funding and supporting these terrorists... which they are not doing.
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