holy ••••••• balls. if they go through with this i will have a reason to never support nvidia again. is this really worth doing for a measly 5$ a ••••••• board (the license price per mobo i think)?
It doesn't really matter to me. I'm a Nvidia fan boy. And Physx was mention. So wheres AMD/Ati Physx? Can't they make there own?
They are. The AMD version however is based off DX11 and therefore should be completely compatible with nVidia's DX11 boards without requiring nVidia to do extra work to support it. Too bad nVidia doesn't have the same commitment to open standards and helping gamers. We'd see a lot more than just Batman using PhysX if they had.
i'm still waiting to see benchmarks for lucid. everyone is hailing it as the second coming but we haven't even gotten any real numbers yet.
it sounds too good to be true to me, i'm still holding off judgement.
i just don't see how lucid can really do what it claims. what if you have a dx10 card and a dx11 card running a dx11 game? does it just throw up? why is no one else questioning this? what about driver control panels? you'll have both an ati and nv control panel, so how will you do things like force aa and af? HOW can all this work so harmoniously?
lucid sounds like the holy grail of multi gpu rendering, and it's that holy grail status that has me most worried.
oh yeah and shame on nvidia and what not! but equally shame on lucid for not showing us or telling us how this magical voodoo is actually going to work in the real world!
edit: i do take issue with this claim over at tweaktown
they didn't block anything, ati lacked the initiative to get aa working natively in an engine that does not support aa (ut3 engine) and then decided to blame it on nv. nv worked with the dev to get aa working in game using their hardware, why is that detrimental to ati? they could have done the same, they chose not to.
despite nv's other shady practices of late, ati is blaming their lack of initiative on nv, passing the buck if you will. that in my mind makes ati no better than those they'd have burned at the stake.
i'd love to see documents showing nv actually strong arming msi over the hydra issue as well. it's not impossible to believe, but right now i haven't seen anything but he said she said.
some may take my skepticism as being pro-nv, but i like to call it pro-having-the-facts-before-passing-judgement
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i got a question, did anyone read the source for this FUD? it's from semiaccurate, a site run by an obviously dedicated ati fanboy.
not only THAT but the author goes on to state that he jumped to conclusions, was wrong about pretty much everything he said, and then apologizes to nvidia as well as msi and semiaccurate for his mistake.
everyone is so quick to jump down nvidia's throats these days no one even seems to care whether the crap they're getting blamed for holds any amount of truth.
I'm retracting this statement as I have been informed by my superiors that the Trinergy board was demoed at Cebit, here is an official statement by MSI's Garret Wu:
“The MSI P55 Big Bang with NVIDIA NF200 was already planned in December 2008, almost one year ago. MSI showcased this board on Cebit 2009 which was reported by many media like http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?id=24935&catid=2 and there are also photos which show very clearly the NF200 chip:http://images.hardware.info/news/cebit-day2-23.jpg. MSI Big Bang Trinergy (NF200) is already announced and will go into mass production by the end of November.
The MSI Big Bang Fuzion (Hydra 200) hardware is ready. Currently Lucid is optimizing the driver for Windows 7 so that it works stable and in all configurations (Including Mix & Match mode). Because MSI is dedicated to bring high quality and stable product on the market we decided to postpone the Big Bang Fuzion (Hydra 200) pending the MSI internal qualification assurance test. The Big Bang Fuzion (Hydra 200) will be released when it’s driver is finished which is most likely Q1 2010.”
This update casts a different light on the article and hopefully MSI/NVIDIA haven't been too upset by my post. See my official apology at the bottom of the article.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out; hopefully MSI can bring out their Lucid-Based board. If it all goes to plan then we should be seeing Lucid boards appearing early next year, fingers crossed, as it sounds like the Lucid board is in testing at MSI right now.
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Edit/Apology: It seems in my rush to get this article out nice and early for all of our readers, I made a beginners mistake (remember I've only been at this for a couple of weeks) and missed out a few important steps in the process.
I would like to officially apologize to SemiAccurate, my initial source for the article, and NVIDIA and MSI for my misinformed statements which cast them in a bad light. My sincerest apologies guys, I hope I haven't offended you - Alex Myers
i just don't see how lucid can really do what it claims. what if you have a dx10 card and a dx11 card running a dx11 game? does it just throw up? why is no one else questioning this? what about driver control panels? you'll have both an ati and nv control panel, so how will you do things like force aa and af? HOW can all this work so harmoniously?
lucid sounds like the holy grail of multi gpu rendering, and it's that holy grail status that has me most worried.
oh yeah and shame on nvidia and what not! but equally shame on lucid for not showing us or telling us how this magical voodoo is actually going to work in the real world!
edit: i do take issue with this claim over at tweaktown
they didn't block anything, ati lacked the initiative to get aa working natively in an engine that does not support aa (ut3 engine) and then decided to blame it on nv. nv worked with the dev to get aa working in game using their hardware, why is that detrimental to ati? they could have done the same, they chose not to.
In interviews they said if you have a DX10 card and a DX11 card the Lucid chip will report to the game that you have a DX10 capable card only. If you want to play a DX11 game you right click on the Lucid icon and tell it to disable the DX10 card. Originally they said they weren't going to be doing brand mixing on the first release.
As for how it does it they say it analyzes the scene, rates how complex each part of the screen is and tries to send each videocard just the right section of the screen to use that card to its fullest. You know how current SLI methods include split frame 50/50 rendering and 2 cards of the same model line? Lucid wants to let you use 2 cards of different power, and the Lucid chip determines how much each one can handle. I got all this from previews of it on Anandtech and PCper.
When it comes to AA on Batman - actually ATI did send an AA implementation for it (or at least their guy on twitter said they did). On top of that in the demo for Batman you could even run a program that would tell the game a different device ID for your videocard (non ATI ID). The game then proceeded to turn on AA, and it fully functioned even on an ATI card. On the final release of the game however they specifically looked for that program and proceeded to disable AA again if they thought you were trying to work around their block of AA on ATI cards.
i got a question, did anyone read the source for this FUD? it's from semiaccurate, a site run by an obviously dedicated ati fanboy.
not only THAT but the author goes on to state that he jumped to conclusions, was wrong about pretty much everything he said, and then apologizes to nvidia as well as msi and semiaccurate for his mistake.
everyone is so quick to jump down nvidia's throats these days no one even seems to care whether the crap they're getting blamed for holds any amount of truth.
i am sorry, it looks like the claim is untrue, sorry for jumping to conclusions that nvidia was trying to screw the tech over.
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It doesn't really matter to me. I'm a Nvidia fan boy. And Physx was mention. So wheres AMD/Ati Physx? Can't they make there own?
why doesnt it matter to you? even if you only love nvidia stuff, why doesnt the idea of a more flexible SLI config excite you? even though you may have to have both dx11 or dx10 cards you dont have to have the exact same ones, why arent you looking forward to that? even though i plan on buying ati cards i still think its a great improvement to the whole process/setup. win for all, right?
im still interested as to wether it will ever surface
as msi would not like to admit nvidia scared them of
we shall see in time
I know Charlie is known for disliking nVidia but I've seen other people I trust saying similar things. Do you ever visit Hardocp? Kyle Bennett said this on their forums right after everybody first got hyped about Lucid:
"MSI has some BIG political hurdles on this one. NVIDIA has told me that it may very well code so that this Lucid silicon is worthless with its products and that pretty much nullifies the thing." http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1453942
Seeing that, then suddenly seeing the launch date of the MSI Big Bang come and go, Lucid saying on their end everything's ready, while MSI says it's just a driver issue and to wait until next year. You can draw your own conclusions as to what's happening - seeing what nVidia has previously said to other people I still believe they're behind the curtains pulling strings trying to prevent Lucid from ever coming out.
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